doing, and as things came to pass, we had to decide what  to do. You can't just live on this old calling, and it seemed like the music industry was changing, the needs of our particular family were changing--we had a teenager and a younger daughter. Caleb had grown up on the road with us.  12 years was a lot, and Sandie and I had been on the road 3 years before Servant doing a rock musical in Europe and doing Greenbelt music festival. The bulk of our adult life we had been on the road. We didn't own a house--we bought our first house 4 years ago. So there were some decisions, we finally came to a place where we felt like we had done what God had asked us to do and He had something different for us to do now. It really became a thing of stopping one thing in anticipation of the next, and not really knowing what that was. I still feel good about the timing of all that. We miss it, but we're resolved that we did what was right.
L.I.D:  So, to the best of your knowledge, what is everybody  doing  now?
O.B.:  I am just finishing my degree in graphic design work, which is an interesting story in itself, but its nice to almost be done after 5 years. I'm working for a man in Cincinatti who owns a wonderful firm. Hes a wonderful Christian person who has really helped me nurture my gift. Hes been a good mentor for me in my design skills. I had done a lot of that previously with the band. I always did a lot of our album cover work and I felt a gift there, so I decided to formalize it to an education. So now I am a couple weeks from having a degree in sleep deprivation.  (laughter)
L.I.D.:  I hear that!!!
O.B.:  We're looking forward to see what comes next at this point. Sandie, my wife, works with youth in a church that we attend on and off here in town, a real great ministry with a couple hundred kids and she works with a small team. I think she really enjoys that work. Shes not sure what it is that God has for her long term. I don't know that we're really all that good at looking that far ahead. We're always pretty much immersed in the moment. We have 2 children. Our son is 17, our daughter is 11 this next month. They're great kids. Caleb's been through some real difficult times and is coming out of that and doing extremely well. Our daughter is very talented. 
The rest of the band. Robbie the bass player eventually married Laurie, who was our lighting girl and they have been living  in Calgary, Alberta, where Laurie was from. They're involved in youth ministry to some extent. Robbie was driving a truck for a company in Calgary and Laurie was driving a school bus. It's been about a year since I talked to them. We're in pretty good touch with everybody. There's newsletters that fly around and we hear through the grapevine. We've seen each other on occasion--we've had a couple of reunions of our community on the west coast that we've been able to see each other at. Matthew Spransy lives in the Milwaukee area with his wife and their 5 children, which is why he was not on the road anymore. He's involved in computer design, designing programs and pretty intellectual computer analysis type stuff. We see them every

now and again. David Holmes is living in Victoria, British Columbia. Haven't had that much contact with David. I think that the band stopping was a big disappointment to him. I'm not totally sure what he's doing. I think he's involved with a church up there. I believe he's married and may have a child as well. Bob Hardy is living with his wife in Wisconsin, and he and his wife are travelling around singing and doing concerts. He put out a record about 3 or 4 years ago that Bruce and he worked on called Face the Distance, and I had done some design work for that. And he had travelled with a band for a little bit and then by himself. The last time I saw Bob was a couple of years ago. We often go up to Cornerstone music festival and sometimes we see some of the people there. Now Bruce is another story. Just about a year ago Bruce passed away of cancer, I think it was lymphnoma. That was a hard one. Our band had some pretty special relationships with one another. I don't want to allude to the idea that our relationships were always good ones. We were married, and we had our conflicts. Certainly when some of the band members left they were delighted to be moving on to something else and left with real good feelings, but there were a few others that left with a little bit more angst about how much time they had put in and where they were at  in their relationships. And over the period of a year I think for the most part the dissatisfaction that may have been there was addressed and healed. Bruce was certainly one of those and I know that towards the end Bruce and I had some conflicts, and I think both of us worked real hard at nurturing that. Over the last few years, Bruce was sick. I had a chance to visit him a couple of times, in fact we talked on the phone about a week before he passed away. The guy was just an absolute trooper. It was really amazing to me. He had a wonderful perspective on life. He had a real difficult time. He went through  a few marriages. He was just so whimsical, still had a lot of the child about him, and that's what kind of made Bruce special. It was with great remorse that I got a phone call in the middle of the night about his passing and spent most of the night on the phone calling all the old band members and the people in our community. 
L.I.D.:  Before we wrap this up, is there any, for lack of a better word, advice you could give young believers or bands.
O.B.:  Well, I don't know. I used to give a lot of advice in my day. I think if I would say anything it would be from the perspective of someone who is older. I'm 41 at this point. I guess looking back my wife and I both feel like cats with 9 lives. We've been so immersed in so many things and as we sit and talk with younger people, they just look at me in amazement like. . . a lot of them haven't yet begun to live--and I don't think that necessarily has anything to do with age. A lot of my peers have not been that adventurous in this life, and I think our lives have been very full.   If I was going to admonish anyone who was young in how to live out their faith, I would say that when you're young is the right time to take risks. It's the right time to sacrifice some of your own goals and dreams and pursue how we might lay our life down for God, and how that will pan out will be different for

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